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Subject: H.R. 2717 Frequently Asked Questions

The Individual Tax Freedom Act of 2001 (H.R. 2717)

Frequently Asked Questions

Table of Contents:

Question #1: How will the Tauzin-Traficant bill affect the poor?

Question #2: How will the NRST apply to homes?

Question #3: Isn't it an unfunded mandate to make states collect and enforce the NRST?

Question #4: Don't you have to repeal the 16th Amendment first?

Question #5: The sales tax is hidden. You won't know how much you're paying in taxes!

Question #6: Doesn't the rate have to be much higher (25 percent to 30 percent) to raise enough revenue?

Question #7: Shouldn't necessities like food, clothing and housing be exempted from the sales tax?

Question #8: Why don't businesses have to pay taxes and pay their fair share?

Question #9: How can I afford anything if a sales tax is piled on top of the price of everything I buy?

Question #10: Won't seniors be hurt by the NRST because they are consuming everything, saving nothing and have no income tax withheld to offset the new tax?

Question #11: Wouldn't after-tax savings that existed on the date of enactment be double taxed when consumed under an NRST?

Question #12: The IRS won't really go away because you would still need some federal enforcement agency. Just the name would be changed.

Question #13: How is insurance treated under the NRST?

Question #14: How are employer-provided benefits treated under the NRST?

Question #15: What about yard sales or private sales? Are they taxable?

Question #16: Is used property taxed?

Question #17: The NRST will be too easy to evade and too hard to enforce.

Question #18: Which taxes are repealed by the NRST?

Question #19: How is education and training treated under the NRST?

Question #20: How are financial services handled?

Question #21: How will the rights of taxpayers, especially retailers, be protected under the NRST?

Question #22: How will the government collect the self-employment tax?

Question #23: Like the Flat Tax, this is just a scheme to give tax breaks to the rich and stick it to the poor and middle class.

Question #24: A flat rate tax either on income or consumption is not fair because it is not progressive. Only a progressive tax can be a fair tax.

Question #25: How is rent treated?

Question #26: With no IRS, what will happen to the state income tax?

Question #27: Is the purchase of collectibles taxed (i.e. artwork, jewelry, gold coins, etc.)?

Question #28: What will the combined state and federal sales tax rate be if we have to replace the state and federal income taxes? Won't the combined rate be so high the system will be unworkable?



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Question #1: How will the Tauzin-Traficant bill affect the poor?

Answer: First, it is important to note that the federal income tax is much more regressive than we think. The fact is the poor and middle class carry a substantial hidden income tax burden.

When a welfare recipient goes to buy a loaf of bread even though they pay no income taxes directly they will end up paying the income taxes and substantial compliance costs of the farmer, miller, baker, distributor, transporter and retailer that are hidden in the cost of that loaf.

Second, the sales tax is much less regressive than is commonly believed.

Ultimately, all income is consumed. Savings is simply a deferral of consumption. If you look at life-time tax rates rather than artificial annual rates the rich pay at least as much in sales taxes as the poor.

Third, the federal government already spends hundreds of billions of dollars on direct payments to the poor.

A recent study shows that workers must earn $8-10 per hour to make as much as they would on welfare. How much more can we do and maintain any incentive to work?

It is critical that we keep the National Retail Sales Tax (NRST) rate extremely low. The lower the rate, the less regressive is the impact of the tax.

Ironically, the more you do to offset whatever regressive impact the NRST may have, the higher the rate climbs and the more regressive the tax becomes!

Everybody should pay some tax and have a stake in the system.

If we exempt half of all Americans from paying taxes as the Flat Tax does they will have every incentive to see taxes and spending go up, since they only stand to benefit from wasteful government spending.

The tax code should only raise revenue for the government. Tax policy should be divorced from social policy.

If, after all those considerations are taken into account, we still must provide some benefit to low income individuals, here is the best way to do it:

The Tauzin-Traficant bill provides a credit equal to the NRST rate times poverty level against a workers Social Security payroll taxes. Therefore, all workers will pay no taxes up to the poverty rate. Those below the poverty rate will pay no taxes at all.

The formula is easily adjustable for non-working spouses and children.

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Question #2: How will the NRST apply to homes?

Answer: The NRST will treat housing in exactly the same manner as it is treated today under the income tax.

The NRST maintains the home mortgage interest deduction. (Since interest payments are not consumption, they cannot be taxed.)

Under the income tax, the principal portion of a mortgage payment is paid in after-tax dollars. In other words, home mortgage principle is taxed today. Home mortgage principle would be treated the same under the NRST.

To pay $1,000 of after-tax mortgage principal today, a taxpayer in the 28 percent income tax bracket has to earn $1,400 in income because the government takes its cut first. Under the NRST, the government doesn't get its cut until the mortgage payment is made.

Under the NRST, taxpayers would be able to pay the tax on the principle residence over the life of the mortgage.

Because of the used-property tax credit established under the NRST, home owners get a 100 percent credit for the sales tax when they sell their house. That credit can be applied to a new house. Therefore, taxpayers only pay the NRST on the difference between the old and new house.

All homeowners on date of enactment are deemed to have paid the NRST on their home in full. Therefore, they will only be liable for the sales tax on the incremental increase in the value of any new home they purchase.

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Question #3: Isn't it an unfunded mandate to make states collect and enforce the NRST?

Answer: No. Under the Tauzin-Traficant bill, states will be able to keep a percentage of what they collect to compensate them for their service. (In addition, all retail businesses will be able to keep a percentage of collections to offset their paperwork costs.)

Also, there is no requirement that states collect the tax, although the incentives will be such that most will.

States already have 60 years of experience and the mechanisms in place to do this job.

Unless we pay the states to do it, we will have to recreate a huge, duplicative bureaucracy here in Washington to do it. We don't need another IRS!

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Question #4: Don't you have to repeal the 16th Amendment first?

Answer: No. It would be nice, but it is not necessary.

The 16th Amendment does not require an income tax. It simply allows one. (The Founding Fathers prohibited a direct income tax.)

It is unlikely that the income tax will grow back after the NRST is implemented. There will be no IRS, for one thing. So re-creating the income tax would be very hard.

The NRST bill requires a 2/3rd supermajority vote of Congress to raise taxes, including re-creating the income tax.

Representative Sam Johnson (R-TX), a member of the House Ways and Means Committee, has introduced a resolution to repeal the 16th Amendment.

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Question #5: The sales tax is hidden. You won't know how much you're paying in taxes!

Answer: The NRST is very visible; even more so than the Flat Tax.

Taxpayers will see the NRST hundreds or thousands of times a year every time they make a retail purchase.

All corporate income taxes are hidden in the costs of goods and services. The bread bought by a taxpayer even if he or she is too poor to pay individual income taxes contains the income taxes and compliance costs of the wheat grower, miller, baker, distributor, transporter and retailer.

Because of income tax withholding, the income tax is also largely invisible to taxpayers. They only know how much refund they got last year, not how much they actually paid.

Under the NRST, all taxes and compliance burdens will be above-board and explicitly stated in the tax rate. There will be no more hidden income taxes.

If you want to see how much you paid in total taxes for the year, simply subtract your savings and investments (and your state and local taxes) from your salary leaving how much you consumed and multiply by the NRST rate. That is certainly much simpler than filling out a form.

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Question #6: Doesn't the rate have to be much higher (25 percent to 30 percent) to raise enough revenue?

Answer: The Tauzin-Traficant bill eliminates the personal and corporate income tax, capital gains taxes, estate and gift taxes, and most excise taxes. Using 1994 data, that totaled $685 billion in tax revenue. That is 12.7 percent of the $5.4 trillion in consumer spending which took place that year.

Therefore, a revenue neutral rate is roughly 13 percent. If we exempt certain products or provide low-income rebates, the rate will start to climb!

Since the tax base of the NRST and the Armey Flat Tax is roughly the same all consumed goods and services the tax rate will also be roughly the same (provided the same policy decisions are made). In reality, the NRST base will be somewhat broader than the Flat Tax base, so our rate should actually be lower.

Some estimates of the sales tax rate assume the Social Security payroll tax would also be eliminated, resulting in a 30 percent rate. The Tauzin-Traficant bill does not attempt to replace the payroll tax with the NRST.

Because of the economic growth and efficiencies of the NRST, the rate could actually go down over a number of years and still collect the same amount of revenue. (Likewise, the Armey Flat Tax starts at 20 percent and declines to 17 percent.)

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Question #7: Shouldn't necessities like food, clothing and housing be exempted from the sales tax?

Answer: If we exempted food, clothing and housing which represents about one-half of the nations economy from the sales tax, the tax rate would double.

Exempting entire categories of goods or services inevitably leads to either: 1) needlessly benefiting the rich; or 2) an administrative nightmare of definitions.

For example, take the suggestion to exempt food. One of two unacceptable outcomes would result:

1. The caviar and roast beef purchased by a rich family to throw a party would be tax free; or

2. Very messy definitional issues would arise over what food should be taxable. States have long struggled to define what is and is not a "snack food," which generally is not taxable (i.e. Cheetos are taxable but Fritos are not.)

If we feel we must address the distributional effects of the sales tax in the tax code itself, it is much better to provide a targeted or means-tested rebate or credit to the working poor.

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Question #8: Why don't businesses have to pay taxes and pay their fair share?

Answer: Under any tax system - income or consumption - businesses do not pay taxes. Businesses only collect taxes for the government in the form of higher prices or lower wages. Business taxes and compliance costs are simply costs of doing business that are reflected in their bottom line.

Under any tax system, only consumers pay taxes. (Only consumers have no one else to whom they can pass the cost of the tax along.)

If businesses only collect taxes, and only consumers pay them, we should set up our tax system to reflect that economic reality.

By eliminating the business taxes and compliance costs hidden in the price of every good or service and exposing those burdens in a single, flat sales tax rate that consumers pay, the NRST creates the simplest and most economically efficient system yet proposed.

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Question #9: How can I afford anything if a sales tax is piled on top of the price of everything I buy?

Answer: With no income tax withholding, take home pay will increase substantially, offsetting the addition of the NRST.

With no business taxes hidden in the price of all goods and services, prices will go down - again, offsetting the addition of the NRST.

To see how much more you will be taking home under a NRST, look at your last pay check stub. Then do the following calculations:

1. Add the amount of income tax withheld today to what you take home.

2. Divide the amount of income tax withheld today by what your new take home pay would be under the NRST (the result from (1)).

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Question #10: Won't seniors be hurt by the NRST because they are consuming everything, saving nothing and have no income tax withheld to offset the new tax?

Answer: The impact on senior citizens will be largely offset by the following factors:

1. Most senior's pensions and savings are in tax-deferred accounts defined benefit plans, defined contribution plans, IRAs, etc.) and would be taxed anyway under the current system.

2. The NRST will eliminate the capital gains tax and the estate tax, which hits seniors particularly hard.

3. Many seniors must pay income taxes on their Social Security benefits (which were increased by the 1993 tax bill). That tax is also eliminated under the NRST.

4. Prices for all items will decrease, once hidden corporate income taxes and compliance burdens are removed from those prices. This will offset the new tax.

5. Special transition rules, such as credits, can be created to ensure that after-tax savings that existed on the date of enactment are not subject to double taxation once those dollars are consumed.

6. If, after all those factors are accounted for, there would still be a net impact on seniors from the NRST, Social Security benefits could be increased by a small amount to offset the new tax. (Ironically, however, doing so would increase the NRST rate, making the elderly even worse off.)

It is important to note that Social Security recipients would not be subject to double taxation under the NRST. While Social Security contributions were made in after-tax dollars, and therefore were already taxed once, the actual percentage of the average Social Security benefit that represents this after-tax contribution is so small as to be almost meaningless. Therefore, almost all Social Security benefits represent dollars that have never been taxed.

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Question #11: Wouldn't after-tax savings that existed on the date of enactment be double taxed when consumed under an NRST?

Answer: In theory, that would be the case. It would be relatively easy to establish a transition rule that would allow a credit for the consumption by such old wealth under the new system.

Such a transition rule would, however, result in a higher NRST rate. This issue is currently under study.

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Question #12: The IRS won't really go away because you would still need some federal enforcement agency. Just the name would be changed.

Answer: Under the Tauzin-Traficant bill, the IRS is de-authorized in fiscal year 2003, giving it time to close out previous tax years.

The NRST will be primarily administered by the states, 45 of which already have the mechanisms in place.

If a state chooses not to administer the tax, or has done a poor job of it, the Secretary of the Treasury is responsible for collecting the tax. It is intended that the Secretary create a small office within the Treasury not an agency separate from it to write the rules and administer the tax where necessary.

As an alternative, a state without a sales tax (like Oregon) could contract with a state with a sales tax (like California) to do its collections for it.

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Question #13: How is insurance treated under the NRST?

Answer: Insurance can be a service, an investment and a reimbursement all at once! Its treatment in a sales tax world is admittedly a little tricky.

A sales tax system must either: 1) tax the full amount of the premium and exempt purchases made with insurance claims; or 2) tax purchases made with insurance claims with the tax also being reimbursed by the insurance company. The Tauzin-Traficant bill generally follows option 2, to avoid the administrative problems associated with exempting insurance-reimbursed purchases! Here are three examples:

1. Life Insurance: Life insurance premiums have two parts, an investment component and a service component. The investment portion is not consumption and would not be taxed. (When a life insurance claim is paid, it will be taxed when those dollars are consumed.) The service component, which represents the overhead of the insurance company necessary to provide the insurance service a relatively small portion of the premium would be taxed.

2. Casualty Insurance: An auto or homeowners policy premium would: 1) have to cover the costs of the NRST on the repair parts and services of a damaged car or the replacement of stolen jewelry, for instance; and 2) be taxable on the portion of the premium that represents the intermediate service.

3. Health Insurance: Likewise, health insurance premiums would have to cover the reimbursement for the taxes paid on health care services and be taxable on the service portion of the premium. NOTE: Employer-provided health care benefits would still be deductible to the employer.

The treatment of insurance outlined above is really just like insurance is treated today under the income tax, if you think about it. Today, insurance premiums are paid in after-tax dollars - meaning they are taxed.

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Question #14: How are employer-provided benefits treated under the NRST?

Answer: Employer-provided benefits, such as pension contributions and health care plans, are not retail consumption and, therefore, are not taxed. (Pension contributions and health care benefits are taxed when they are spent on retirement living or health care services, for instance.)

In effect, therefore, the NRST maintains the deduction for employer-provided benefits.

Under the Flat Tax, most employer-provided benefits are not deductible.

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Question #15: What about yard sales or private sales? Are they taxable?

Answer: Attempting to enforce the NRST on yard sales or private sales (i.e. selling a bicycle to a friend) would be nearly impossible and breed cynicism about the system. It would make everybody a de facto criminal, much as the income tax does today.

The Tauzin-Traficant bill exempts casual and isolated sales from the NRST. Such a sale is defined as a sale by any person not engaged in active trade or business and that does not exceed $2,500 in any one instance and does not exceed $10,000 in a year.

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Question #16: Is used property taxed?

Answer: The purchase of used property is taxable. However, an important rule of the NRST is that the government only gets to tax a good once. Therefore, the Tauzin-Traficant bill creates a used property tax credit. The seller of the used property gets a credit for the un-consumed value of the used good. A couple of examples help to clarify:

1. A taxpayer buys a $10,000 car. For the sake of simplicity, assume a 10 percent NRST rate, making the tax due on the car equal $1,000. If the taxpayer sells the car for $7,500 a year later, the new buyer will pay a tax of $750. Because the original owner only "consumed" of the value of that car, he will get a credit for the "un-consumed" portion, or $750, which can be applied to a new car. Therefore, the government does not get to tax that same vehicle over and over again.

2. This also applies to appreciating assets. Assume a taxpayer buys a home for $100,00. As explained in the Q&A on housing, a tax of $10,000 will be paid over the life of the mortgage. If the owner later sells the home for $125,000, he will receive a credit for $10,000 that can be applied to his new home.

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Question #17: The NRST will be too easy to evade and too hard to enforce.

Answer: Compliance is a concern with any tax system. Under the current income tax system, the IRS itself estimates that it loses $150 billion a year to the underground economy. It is hard to imagine it could be worse under the NRST.

The NRST will not suffer from compliance problems for the following reasons:

1. There will be dramatically fewer collection points to watch. Instead of having to audit and collect information on 250 million taxpayers and millions of businesses, the government will have to watch a much smaller universe of collection points (i.e. retailers).

2. Even among the much smaller retailer universe, states can focus their attention on the largest retailers. In California, for instance, 90 percent of the revenue is collected by only 10 percent of the retailers. (These retailers are already used to dealing with this burden and will be compensated for it.)

3. The states already have the mechanisms and experience in place to enforce the sales tax. Local administration will mean better compliance rates.

4. States will have incentives to enforce the sales tax because: 1) the more they collect, the more they can keep in their administrative allowance; and 2) since the bill requires administering states to conform their sales tax base to the federal base, states will have to collect the federal tax in order to collect their own tax.

5. VATs are generally regarded as being self-enforcing compared to the sales tax. The Tauzin-Traficant bill replicates the enforcement features of a credit-invoice VAT - without the hidden tax burdens associated with a VAT.

6. The issue of non-profit purchases is still under review. If such purchases are to be exempted, a much narrower definition of a "non-profit" will be needed. (Under current law, the NFL is a "non-profit," for instance.)

The Flat Tax eliminates the deduction for contributions to non-profit organizations.

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Question #18: Which taxes are repealed by the NRST?

Answer: The Tauzin-Traficant bill repeals the following taxes:

1. Personal income tax;

2. Corporate income tax;

3. Estate and gift taxes;

4. Income taxes on non-resident aliens and foreign corporations;

5. Retail excise taxes;

6. Manufacturers excise taxes; and

7. Alcohol, tobacco and certain other, non-trust fund, excise taxes.

The NRST legislation does not attempt to repeal the Social Security payroll tax or the self-employment tax (both of which will be administered by the Social Security Administration).

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Question #19: How is education and training treated under the NRST?

Answer: It is fairly easy to see that education and training expenses are not "consumption." They are inputs into the creation of taxable goods or services at a future date. Therefore, tuition and training expenses either paid for by an individual or an employer are not taxable.

Under the Flat Tax, tuition is not deductible, in effect continuing to double tax education as it is today once when tuition is spent and once when income resulting from that education is realized.

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Question #20: How are financial services handled?

Answer: Financial services pose a unique challenge to any consumption-based - tax including the Flat Tax, the USA tax, and the NRST.

To illustrate a simple example of this challenge, take a checking account that charges $5 a month in fees and pays five percent interest. Under the NRST, that $5 fee would be taxed. Banks would likely eliminate the fee, and lower the interest rate to three percent to compensate. The same situation applies to brokerage fees, insurance premiums and every other financial service.

If we do not want the entire financial services sector to drop out of the tax base which would be a significant part of the economy - special rules must be developed for financial services.

Under the Tauzin-Traficant bill, any explicitly stated financial service fee (such as a checking account or brokerage fee) is taxed, as would be expected. However, an implicit financial service fee is also defined and then taxed, to prevent the situation described above.

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Question #21: How will the rights of taxpayers, especially retailers, be protected under the NRST?

Answer: The Tauzin-Traficant bill makes some very important reforms when it comes to taxpayer rights.

Most importantly, the burden of proof is shifted from the taxpayer to the government. Under the income tax today, the burden of proof is on the taxpayer to prove he does not owe a tax. Under the NRST, the burden of proof is on the government to prove that a taxpayer - either an individual or a business - does owe the tax. (The burden of document production still lies with the taxpayer, of course.)

Also, the government must pay the attorneys and accountants fees in any case the government cannot show its case was substantially justified.

In addition, the bill creates a problem resolution office at the Department of Treasury to investigate taxpayer complaints and stop collection activities if not in compliance with the law.

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Question #22: How will the government collect the self-employment tax?

Answer: The self-employment tax, which represents the employers share of the Social Security payroll tax for self-employed individuals, will be collected - like FICA - by the Social Security Administration.

Obviously, this is a compliance burden on the self-employed that others do not face. The legislation does, however, try to make that burden as light as possible, and rewrites the self-employment tax section of the tax code to operate in a sales tax world.

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Question #23: Like the Flat Tax, this is just a scheme to give tax breaks to the rich and stick it to the poor and middle class.

Answer: While it is not really the case, the Flat Tax does makes it appear as if the rich pay no taxes.

1. The "coupon-clipper" who lives off investment income pays no income tax directly under the Flat Tax, but those dollars will have been already taxed once at the business level. The problem with the income tax code today is that such investment is taxed twice - at the business and individual level.

2. Under the NRST, even the rich have to directly pay tax on their consumption every day. (The Flat Tax and NRST have the same economic effect, however.)

3. All income is eventually consumed. Savings and investment are simply deferred consumption. Therefore, all income will ultimately be taxed.

We must all realize that the income tax today is much more regressive than we think. The fact is the poor and middle class carry a substantial hidden income tax burden.

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Question #24: A flat rate tax either on income or consumption is not fair because it is not progressive. Only a progressive tax can be a fair tax.

Answer: Throughout most American history, "fairness" has meant "equal treatment under the law.

1. With the introduction of a so-called progressive income tax, this definition was abandoned for the idea of fairness as "ability to pay." Thus, the tax code stopped being simply a mechanism to fund the operation of the federal government. Instead, it became a tool for politicians to redistribute wealth and fuel class conflict.

The NRST levies a single, flat rate on all final, end-use consumption of goods and services. It meets the original and constitutional basis for "fair taxation."

The NRST is a proportional tax - meaning that those who consume the most pay the most. Those who consume the least pay the least. But everybody pays something and has a stake in the system.

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Question #25: How is rent treated?

Answer: Residential rent clearly falls in the category of a final retail good or service, and is therefore taxable.

Commercial rent, which is a business input, it not taxable - otherwise the tax would simply be hidden in the cost of the final good or service produced at that location.

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Question #26: With no IRS, what will happen to the state income tax?

Answer: Most states with income taxes piggy-back off the federal system. States generally do not have their own independent income reporting systems in place and rely on the IRS for most income data.

States will have one of two options: either they will have to establish their own income reporting system or they will have to convert the income tax to a sales tax base.

The Tauzin-Traficant bill will have language permitting states to work with each other to collect and report income data, which may or may not be legal otherwise, if they choose to stick with the income tax.

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Question #27: Is the purchase of collectibles taxed (i.e. artwork, jewelry, gold coins, etc.)?

Answer: While these are generally regarded as investments, attempting to determine whether a tangible good is used for consumption or investment purposes is an administrative nightmare we don't want to get into.

However, the used property tax credit makes it work out fine.

In this context, the used property tax credit would work as follows:

1. A painting is purchased for $1,000. If the tax rate (for simplicity's sake) is 10 percent, a tax of $100 is paid. When that painting is sold for $2,000, the buyer pays $200 in tax. The government gets $100 and the seller gets a full $100 credit.

2. The rule is that the government only gets paid a tax on the value of an item once.

Also, "casual and isolated sales" among private parties are not taxed under $2,000 (but no more than $5,000 annually).

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Question #28: What will the combined state and federal sales tax rate be if we have to replace the state and federal income taxes? Won't the combined rate be so high the system will be unworkable?

Answer: Yes, that combined rate will be high, probably at least 20 percent, if not much higher, depending on the state.

But the fact is, this is how much the government costs our country. Government is so big that it accounts for nearly one-half of our economy.

Whether these taxes are in the form of a sales tax or not, every consumer still pays them - no matter how they are disguised. (Only consumers pay taxes, businesses only collect taxes.)

If the taxes we pay to support this behemoth are not explicitly stated in a sales tax rate, they will be hidden in the cost of every good or service we buy.

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